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Curiosity
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posted 10-06-1999 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curiosity     
Just when I thought that my schmoozing with organic chem students paid off, I found a file on rhodium about using a soda bottle as a reaction chamber and compressing it, shaking violently, and ending with MDP2P.
BONUS* this reaction doesnt use DMF! IS this reaction reliable? Could a PVC pipe vessle be used in-leu of a 2 liter coke bottle to increase safety, and this put in a paint shaker for ease of mixing?
This was in a file on Rodium, by Spice Boy. I'll dig the link up if anyone would like to run with this one.

If you care, could some one drop me a URL for oil at curiouskat@hushmail.com.

thankx

Penis Seinfeld
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posted 10-06-1999 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Penis Seinfeld     
Are you fucking kidding me?

Use the damned search engine!

PS

Osmium
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posted 10-07-1999 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osmium     
This was a very hot topic a year or so ago. Yes, it worked for me and spiceboy. KrZ claimed good yields (~90%) recently in his own variation.

courier
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posted 10-09-1999 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for courier     
hire out a pneumatic drill to do the shaking >75% everytime.

Semtex Enigma
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posted 10-09-1999 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Semtex Enigma     
Yeah, KRZ, still waiting for them thar Getto Reactor(TM) plans...

As for your question(s), what your talking about is probably one of THE MOST discussed things that this board has ever seen. There should be LOADS of info floating around. And YES a paint shaker works nicely, just a question though if you don't mind. Besides an auction or a flea market, where the hell does one purchase a paint shaker??? Believe me paint stores don't wanna sell them, I guess could steal one from home depot...

How did you hook it up to the pnumatic drill if you don't mind me asking?

Thanks for any and all help...

spiceboy
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posted 10-11-1999 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spiceboy     
If I remember correctly, during my early research I ran across the statement that DMF
UNDER PRESSURE is explosive...Anyone able to verify that?

Also, the shaking thing that everyone is discussing CAN be done by hand, but its certainly not the easiest way.

Most recently, it has been my fortune to learn that many of my early failures were due to the fact that I wasnt allowing enough time for the pd to dissolve in the alcohol.
This variable is more important than even the shaking, I beelieve.

A soda bottle is packaged with 45 psi of CO2
pressure straight from the coca-cola plant. I called an engineer at coca cola in atlanta when I designed this thing. She said that the container had a safety bubble,ie; It can stand higher pressures than that.

This reaction has been very quirky for many, but I have it on authority that a few bees made their first honey this way. But thers not a lot of info on it.

Rhodium has most of it on his page.

Peace and beans

Eigenfxn
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posted 10-11-1999 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eigenfxn     
Some companies sell machines to shake cells ... check bio companies

Semtex Enigma
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posted 10-11-1999 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Semtex Enigma     
Spicey, Baby!!! Good to see you back about... BTW SWIM heard a rumor that some idiot took a pepsi bottle up round 70psi, with no problems...

Osmium
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posted 10-12-1999 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osmium     
Hey spiceboy! Long time no see!

DMF is not more explosive than any other solvent under a high oxygen athmosphere.

Yes, it is very important that all the Pd dissolves in the alcohol solvent before you start the reaction. One day of stirring together with the copper cocatalyst will usually accomplish that.

When pressure-testing your bottle, fill it with water. When it ruptures the explosion will be much less violent this way, although it might be slightly wetter.

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